what happened to the first santa in the santa clause

• How is it that no parents believe in Santa...nonetheless every Christmas, they are certain to find gifts that they did not buy under the tree? If Santa is bringing the kids what they want, and so what are the parents even buying and why aren't they noticing added gifts everywhere?
  • As The Dresden Files points out, almost people are eager to delude themselves into assertive that the world is nice and normal and exactly every bit they call back information technology is. In the case of married couples they probably think "Oh, my spouse must have got that and but not mentioned it", in the case of single parents excuses like "Huh, his grandmother must have sent it and I forgot putting it under the tree" or things like that would be made. And they brand themselves believe it because to them that makes more than sense than assertive in Santa.
  • Judy explains information technology in the first picture:

  Scott: I'm talking to an elf. And I stopped believing in Santa Claus a long fourth dimension ago.
  Judy: That'south not surprising. Nigh grownups can't believe in magic. Information technology just... sort of grows out of them.

  • Also, who says they don't? One of the showtime names on Santa's list is actor Armand Assante.
• So what would happen if a adult female somehow enacted the Santa Clause? Would she be subject area a Gender Bender? Plow into Befana? Trigger the secondary "Must be married clause" from the second movie if she's a married woman and plough her hubby into Santa?
  • In this troper'due south opinion, there'd be a balance between Gender Bough and Befana complimented (hopefully) by the Dominion of Funny. A controversial idea, but a good author could make it work!
  • Alternatively, some sort of magic ensures'that simply men can enact the Santa Clause?
    • Just my thought, but she'd probably she'd plow into Mrs. Claus but go all of Santa's powers. To preserve the story, if a kid saw her she could simply say "Santa'south really busy this year so I'one thousand helping out". She'd most probable be subject to some version of the Missus Clause, but whether the Santa powers would transfer to her husband upon marriage... hm. Likely the Powers That Be that Santa meets with in the second film would rule on that. If Mrs. Clause had been doing a good chore they'd probably declare she kept the powers, if she'd been merely keeping her head higher up water until she got married they'd probably go ahead and give her new hubby a shot.
    • "In putting on the suit and entering the sleigh, the wearer waives whatsoever and all rights to any previous identity, existent or unsaid, and fully accepts the duty and responsibilities of Santa Claus, in perpetuity until such fourth dimension the wearer becomes unable to practice then, by either accident or design." That ways, male person or female person, whoever puts on the arrange becomes "Santa Claus." However, the "Mrs. Clause" specifically refers to "A adult female of his choosing," which implies that "Santa" must be male. So either females don't fall subject field to the Mrs. Clause, or females cannot be made subject field to the Santa Clause in the outset place, and only a male can put on the suit and become the new Santa.
• What would happen if a child or an creature enacted the Santa Clause?
  • Would the kid experience a ballsy growing up matter, and would Humanity Ensue for the creature?
    • If the Clause is a bounden legal bargain, then merely an adult may enter into such a bargain, unless the child had his parent's support and signed off as well. And then no-proceed animals, but it could depend on if the kid was allowed to habiliment it by his/her parents.
    • Problem is, what a 'binding legal deal' is varies betwixt jurisdiction and jurisdiction. In some, children can enter into contract. In others, the Clause very much is not a binding legal deal for Scott Calvin and others who became Santa in a roughly similar situation, as they were not informed of, and could not know of, the details of the contract beforehand.
    • It'southward not a binding legal contract, information technology'south a bounden magical contract. One that Scott agreed to, whether he read it or non, when he enacted the terms of information technology by putting on the suit. Even so, just considering it's a magical contract and some of the rules are dissimilar from legal ones doesn't mean that all the rules are different. It may have some provision for people who would be incapable of fulfilling an adult role like Santa Clause... petty kids, animals, people with astringent mental problems, that sort of matter. Even if it doesn't, likely if a child showed up back at the North Pole in the Santa suit, the elves would flip out and convene the council of Powers That Exist to seek some sort of waiver.
• If all Santas have to be married, what happened to the previous Mrs. Claus when Scott killed Santa in the start pic? Did she go back to her pre-Santa life? Did she die when he did?
  • Didn't they non discover the Mrs Clause until Scott's reign as Santa? Maybe no Santa has survived long enough for the Mrs Clause to factor into their contract.Which a completely different kind of Fridge Horror.
    • It may be that the only other Santas to survive long enough that the Mrs Clause would have kicked in were already married, lessening the Fridge Horror.
    • Scott was given eleven months to get his diplomacy in order. Mrs. Claus was presumably given the same amount of time.
    • The 3rd movie, The Escape Clause, proves that the Magical Contracts affect time besides. If Mrs. Claus' husband invokes the Escape Clause (or dies, presumably), a "Mrs. Claus Escape Clause" is also invoked, and time is reset, erasing the memories of Mrs. Claus as well and returning her to her life before she married Santa. In the altered timeline, for instance, Scott and Carol never got married.
• If Jack Frost wanted to be Santa, why didn't he just kill Scott?
  • It'd be a hell of a lot easier. Kill Santa, grab his coat before anybody else can. Don't have to worry well-nigh time-travel shenanigans.
    • Easier, yes. But challenging? No. Sometimes villains utilise unnecessarily complicated schemes considering the obviously uncomplicated solutions don't give as much of a challenge.
    • A better explanation would be that intentionally murdering Santa would be a lot harder than accidentally making him sideslip and autumn off your roof past startling him.
    • Also y'all've got to figure that, bad as he was, Jack Frost may simply not be a cold-blooded killer. (Pun not intended.) The other Santa was finer already dead, all Jack had to exercise was replace Scott as the person who caused it, which probably to him is a niggling different than, say, stabbing someone in the eyesocket with an icicle. Plus, y'know... it'southward a family moving-picture show.
    • Jack is a magical being, so is Santa. There may exist some kind of pact that such beings can't such go confronting other too direct without information technology going incorrect.
    • The movie states that their powers don't work on each other. And I doubt the council of legendary beings would be so forgiving of him killing another legendary being, every bit opposed to having no idea about Jack Frost stealing the job.
• What's the bespeak of a nice listing if Santa doesn't deliver presents anymore? In the 3rd movie, later on Frost becomes Santa, Scott makes his manner to themepark!North Pole, where Curtis offers a laissez passer for the dainty list and reveals parents pay to get their kids on it. A bit afterward, Frost comments that he stopped delivering the gifts and just lets anyone that tin beget it come up up at that place. Then, what's the nice list for?
  • Bragging rights.
• Is anyone else disturbed by how emotionless the Elves are at the news of the old Santa'southward expiry? They don't show any grief and in fact aren't perturbed in the slightest. Didn't they have any affection for him at all? Who was this guy? Did he accept a family similar Scott? He at least would accept had parents. Did the Elves notify them? Permit them know they wouldn't have a trunk to coffin? Did they attend the funeral?
  • Considering how erstwhile all the elves are, information technology's possible they're only used to information technology past now.
  • Peradventure they've been going through a period of getting a new Santa practically every year because incompetent guys keep getting the task, so at this point they're just resigned to information technology and have avoided getting emotionally attached. Note that they don't actually start making an endeavor and engaging with Scott until he starts showing some sincere zest and aptitude for the role.
  • Maybe the old Santa didn't die. His torso disappears, leaving the adapt empty. When at that place is clearly magic of some kind involved, information technology is but as likely that the old Santa simply vanished from Scott'due south lawn and reappeared elsewhere. Perhaps he gave upwards the drapery and returned to his old life. Or went to some kind of magical retirement home for legendary figures. Either way, the elves would know that is what happened to him, and they would have no reason to grieve for someone they know did not actually die. To them, their boss just retired and they got a new ane.
• Why doesn't Scott just show everyone his magically growing beard to prove that he has no control over his new appearance?
  • If magic was making that beard grow and changing his physical appearance, what else could the magic revolving around the Santa Clause do? If Scott managed to get photographical or video bear witness of the beard growing, magic could alter information technology; it could take the flick of the beard become him in his underpants, or the video now showing him singing in the shower. Either way, it's not going to let him become out of the Clause.
  • I recall the point the OP was trying to brand was that Scott's beard grew about instantly subsequently he shaved it off. Wouldn't it have been easy to invite Laura and Neil to his house, come out of the bathroom clean shaven, and then permit them scout equally his beard grew back? The way they talked, they thought he was trying to look similar Santa, and thus non shaving at all.
    • You lot're missing the betoken of the response. Scott's beard isn't growing because his genes take been reprogrammed to grow his bristles extremely fast, information technology's growing because of magic... magic that specifically works to help in the Santa myth, which includes keeping the secret of his existence. If Laura and Neil came over and Scott shaved, the magic would be entirely likely to simply not grow his beard while they were around, making him expect even crazier, and then poof back into wavy snowy locks the moment they left.
• Why is there no Legendary Effigy for Halloween? At that place seems to be one for every other major Vacation (Valentine'south Day, Easter, New year'due south Eve/Day etc.).
  • Considering there is no consistent folkloric grapheme associated with Halloween. Baby New year's day, Cupid, and the Easter Bunny are well-known characters unremarkably idea of equally singular beings, only there is no comparable "spirit of Halloween."
  • Because they couldn't get the rights to use the Great Pumpkin.
  • Samhain was supposedly an old spirit related to Halloween, but he probable would have been too...not family friendly, if the lore about sacrifices is correct.
  • Clearly Jack Skellington wasn't invited back to the meetings subsequently the incident of '93.
• The first female elf that Scott meets says he's "head elf" even though he obviously means he needs to talk to someone. Bernard is right there, fills an obviously supervisory role, and tin answer all of his questions. Was she beingness deliberately obtuse? Furthermore, if Santa's title is "head elf" in i and nosotros know Bernard's is the same affair in 2, why would an (absolutely high ranking and experienced) elf accept Santa's title, and what would they be calling Santa now?
  • Perhaps Scott delegated whatsoever job 'head elf' entails to Bernard, perhaps being a scrap less direct involved in running the North Pole than the previous Santa. With how we run across Scott going around the North Pole in the second film the delegation was probably meant to give him more fourth dimension to come up with new ideas, become to know and befriend the elves working for him, and probably simply to not have to personally wait at paperwork as much.
  • As Santa Claus, he is the one in charge in the N Pole. Scott was just asking the incorrect questions.

  Scott: Kid, who's in charge here?
  Elf: Yous are.
  Scott: Who gives the orders? Who's your boss?
  Elf: Yous are.
  Scott: No, no, no. Uh—W-Who's the head elf?
  Elf: Y'all are.

• When Jack goes back in fourth dimension to be stop Scott from becoming Santa and then he could, and nosotros go dorsum to nowadays day, there is a big plot that is missing, in the 2nd movie Scott has to become married to go on the role as Santa, so Where is Jacks Wife as Santa?
  • Fiji. He probably found someone to concord to be Mrs. Clause by agreeing to pay her to alive in luxury somewhere far abroad from him. Goes with the manner of his Christmas.
• The clause states that "In putting on the adapt and entering the sleigh, the wearer waives any and all rights to any previous identity, real or implied". And it's shown that Scott and Charlie could go into the sleigh in their normal clothes. Scott only put the suit on at the showtime business firm where they landed, considering Charlie insisted. But if the person never put on the adapt, and did all the deliveries in their normal apparel, would they still be fully subject to the Santa clause, or would they be allowed to return to their normal lives?
  • If he doesn't put on the suit AND enter the sleigh, he does not autumn bailiwick to the Santa Clause. Which ways he does not become Santa. Which ways none of the Santa Magic (the magically refilling bag of toys, the power to go downwardly chimneys) would occur. Therefore making it incommunicable to complete all the deliveries.
• Charlie says at the finish of the picture show that he wants to go on the "Family Business" when he grows up AKA became the adjacent Santa. Doesn't that mean that one day he'll have to kill his dad?
  • Or his father could just retire and hand him the suit.
• Like to a indicate raised above: what happens if the person to enact the Santa Clause is LGBT? Does their sexuality go overwritten for the sake of the Santa lore, or would a gay or bi Santa be allowed to marry a human once the Mrs Clause kicks in?
  • Unfortunately, the Exact Wording of the Mrs. Clause is "A adult female of his choosing." Therefore, Santa Claus has to be male, and Mrs. Claus has to be female, to fulfill the terms of the Mrs. Clause.
• Why does Lucy refer to her stepfather as "Uncle Scott"?
  • Neal is Charlie's stepfather (married his female parent after he was born) but Scott technically isn't related to Lucy at all (used to be married to her mother earlier she was built-in). It's an Honorary Uncle title.
• Then, how exactly how does the Escape Clause works? Considering the manner information technology works on paper is that y'all say "I wish I'd never been Santa at all," become back in time to undo your life every bit Santa and that'd be that. However, the way it works in the pic is that yous go back in time to when you became Santa Claus... But everything would unfold as they had before barring exterior interference, every bit we encounter when it's invoked the second time. Without bringing along another person to take the coat and accept up the pall of Santa or adventure upsetting some sort of temporal balance past interfering themselves, how would a Santa Claus successfully invoke the Escape Clause?
  • The first time the Escape Clause was invoked, nosotros don't come across Scott Calvin's past cocky. It's likely that, when the Escape Clause is invoked, they become their past cocky, and all Scott would accept to do is non go outside and yell at Santa, causing him to fall off the roof. This is further suggested past the fact that there aren't two Jack Frosts when Jack Frost is tricked into invoking the Escape Clause, but at that place are 2 Scotts (the By Scott from the original timeline, and the present Scott from the timeline where Jack Frost became Santa.)
• In the first movie, Scott conspicuously didn't want to be Santa at first, so why didn't Bernard or any of the other elves just tell him about the Escape Clause?
  • They probably didn't know about it. They had to wait very advisedly at the card to find out nearly the Mrs. Clause.

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